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If you take the vaccine you don't have 95% protection from getting covid 7 days after the second dose. 

The risk of the unvaccinated getting covid in the trial was .88 %. 8 out of 18k people got it.
The risk of the vaccinated getting covid was .04%. 162 out of 18k people got it.

So do the math and you have %95 effective. .04 compared to .88

Well most people who get covid don't even know that they had it.

How many of you tech worshipping government trusting absolute guinea pigs thought that if you took the vaccine then the overall risk would be reduced by 95%?

The media is bought and paid for by Big Pharma.  I think Fox News at one point stated that 15 out of 22 of their commercials during a program were from Big Pharma.
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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2022, 05:23:28 am »
Canadian covid care alliance.
Also the same study showed that the group that took the vaccine had a huge 300% increase in adverse events.

https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html
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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2022, 05:26:44 am »




If you take the vaccine you don't have 95% protection from getting covid 7 days after the second dose. 

The risk of the unvaccinated getting covid in the trial was .88 %. 8 out of 18k people got it.
The risk of the vaccinated getting covid was .04%. 162 out of 18k people got it.

So do the math and you have %95 effective. .04 compared to .88

Well most people who get covid don't even know that they had it.

How many of you tech worshipping government trusting absolute guinea pigs thought that if you took the vaccine then the overall risk would be reduced by 95%?

The media is bought and paid for by Big Pharma.  I think Fox News at one point stated that 15 out of 22 of their commercials during a program were from Big Pharma.


You do realize, that our understanding of the risk from Covid these days isn't so much about the risk of infection but more about the risk of severe disease don't you? You're going have to lift your trolling and misinformation game Jimbo!
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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2022, 10:31:17 am »
It is frustrating that we are told to get our shots and then we will be protected, only to find out it isn't as protective as thought and a 3rd and 4th shot are recommended.

That doesn't make me an anti-vaxer.

Nor does my hope that an updated vaccine geared to the variants be developed instead of just that initially developed pre-variants. (Though as i posted yesterday, a recent study shows the crossreactivity of the vaccine among variants: the killer t-cells of our immmune system are increased among the vaccinated (Pfizer and J&J in the study, unfortunately Moderna wasn't included in that study) and among the previously infected. That puts the unvaccinated uninfected-previously at a disadvantage in terms of their body's ability to fight the virus.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2022, 11:17:43 am »
It is frustrating that we are told to get our shots and then we will be protected, only to find out it isn't as protective as thought and a 3rd and 4th shot are recommended.

Not just recommend, but required now. Vaccination status expires after 180 days, so gotta keep getting boosters or you'll be classified as unvaccinated.

"...will not be allowed to use those facilities starting Monday if they are not administered with a booster shot, officials said.

The so-called vaccine pass is required for people to enter restaurants, cafes, theaters, cram schools and other indoor multipurpose facilities. The measure will be applied to department stores and large discount store chains Jan. 10."


http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220102000083


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2022, 12:11:59 pm »
It is frustrating that we are told to get our shots and then we will be protected, only to find out it isn't as protective as thought and a 3rd and 4th shot are recommended.

That doesn't make me an anti-vaxer.

Nor does my hope that an updated vaccine geared to the variants be developed instead of just that initially developed pre-variants. (Though as i posted yesterday, a recent study shows the crossreactivity of the vaccine among variants: the killer t-cells of our immmune system are increased among the vaccinated (Pfizer and J&J in the study, unfortunately Moderna wasn't included in that study) and among the previously infected. That puts the unvaccinated uninfected-previously at a disadvantage in terms of their body's ability to fight the virus.

What is frustrating? You weren't planning to take the vaccine anyways. You were hoping that a large enough percentage of the population will get the vaccine so even if you don't take it, the promised herd immunity will help us all to get this behind us. Very frustrating indeed.

Developing a vaccine for a new strain already takes some time. But the bigger issue is producing billions of doses, distributing it to every corner of the planet and administer them. That doesn't happen overnight. You can see how plenty of developing countries are still nowhere with their vaccination even though it's been 1 year since they became available. New dominant strains seem to surface every few months or so. It is impossible to vaccinate the majority of the population in such a short time, before yet another mutation appears.

There have been countless studies that concluded a disadvantage of the unvaccinated when fighting the virus.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2022, 01:30:46 pm »
You weren't planning to take the vaccine anyways. You were hoping that a large enough percentage of the population will get the vaccine so even if you don't take it, the promised herd immunity will help us all to get this behind us.
That was before us teachers were told to get vaccinated.

And I had also said I wanted to at least wait a year to see what side effects and risks the vaccine posed, as borne out of data after a widespread first wave of vaccinations.

Now we got the shots and thought all would be fine, only to hear more of the same is... required? The CDC has itself cited research showing the spread of the virus isn't significantly less after injections.

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There have been countless studies that concluded a disadvantage of the unvaccinated when fighting the virus
Exactly as I stated the results of a study on this page and another thread a day ago. The vaccinated and the infected have greater t-cell counts to fight infection. As the CDC stated last summer: public policy should pivot its message to protecting individual health outcomes as less severe effects, less hospitalizations and death, comes with vaccination.

Evidence on the efficacy of booster shots, however, is pending. The Korean gov't is mandating injections every six months? 4th? 5th? 6th... Will every three months be demanded to be considered vaccinated?

No vaccine pass for those vaccinated before last July. That means no restaurants and now an announcement no department store visits without a shot every six months. Is Emart and LotteMart a department store?

Frustrating. Try to comply only to find new requirements demanded (moving the goal posts) when the evidence-based justification for it is NOT preventing the spread of infection (despite the reporters and gov't still feeding that line). ... That said, reducing the strain on intensive care units IS a reason, so if ventilators are maxed out, then proactive measures to reduce public use of businesses will help.

As I have often said: everyone should still social distance and mask up.

The prior hope that vaccination would lead to a maskless return to normal life and freer travel was a pipe dream. Arghh!
« Last Edit: January 02, 2022, 01:36:27 pm by VanIslander »


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2022, 10:30:49 pm »
That was before us teachers were told to get vaccinated.

And I had also said I wanted to at least wait a year to see what side effects and risks the vaccine posed, as borne out of data after a widespread first wave of vaccinations.

Now we got the shots and thought all would be fine, only to hear more of the same is... required? The CDC has itself cited research showing the spread of the virus isn't significantly less after injections.
Exactly as I stated the results of a study on this page and another thread a day ago. The vaccinated and the infected have greater t-cell counts to fight infection. As the CDC stated last summer: public policy should pivot its message to protecting individual health outcomes as less severe effects, less hospitalizations and death, comes with vaccination.

Evidence on the efficacy of booster shots, however, is pending. The Korean gov't is mandating injections every six months? 4th? 5th? 6th... Will every three months be demanded to be considered vaccinated?

No vaccine pass for those vaccinated before last July. That means no restaurants and now an announcement no department store visits without a shot every six months. Is Emart and LotteMart a department store?

Frustrating. Try to comply only to find new requirements demanded (moving the goal posts) when the evidence-based justification for it is NOT preventing the spread of infection (despite the reporters and gov't still feeding that line). ... That said, reducing the strain on intensive care units IS a reason, so if ventilators are maxed out, then proactive measures to reduce public use of businesses will help.

As I have often said: everyone should still social distance and mask up.

The prior hope that vaccination would lead to a maskless return to normal life and freer travel was a pipe dream. Arghh!
That hope was dashed by those refusing to be vaccinated, which it appears included you until you were forced to, metaphorically kicking and screaming.

In effect, you are the object of your complaints.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2022, 06:56:59 am »
That hope was dashed by those refusing to be vaccinated, which it appears included you until you were forced to, metaphorically kicking and screaming.

In effect, you are the object of your complaints.

Judging from his posts on the topic, I would say he is still not vaccinated.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2022, 07:43:20 am »
You do realize, that our understanding of the risk from Covid these days isn't so much about the risk of infection but more about the risk of severe disease don't you? You're going have to lift your trolling and misinformation game Jimbo!

Considering all other vaccines went through years of trials and research before being put onto the market, don't require frequent boosters every 6 months, nor do people still catch the illness in queastion, then questioning this "vaccine" is fair game.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2022, 07:47:03 am »
That was before us teachers were told to get vaccinated.

And I had also said I wanted to at least wait a year to see what side effects and risks the vaccine posed, as borne out of data after a widespread first wave of vaccinations.

Now we got the shots and thought all would be fine, only to hear more of the same is... required? The CDC has itself cited research showing the spread of the virus isn't significantly less after injections.
Exactly as I stated the results of a study on this page and another thread a day ago. The vaccinated and the infected have greater t-cell counts to fight infection. As the CDC stated last summer: public policy should pivot its message to protecting individual health outcomes as less severe effects, less hospitalizations and death, comes with vaccination.
Pivot against what exactly? Misunderstanding and misinformation?

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Evidence on the efficacy of booster shots, however, is pending. The Korean gov't is mandating injections every six months? 4th? 5th? 6th... Will every three months be demanded to be considered vaccinated?


Summary
Background
Many countries are experiencing a resurgence of COVID-19, driven predominantly by the delta (B.1.617.2) variant of SARS-CoV-2. In response, these countries are considering the administration of a third dose of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine as a booster dose to address potential waning immunity over time and reduced effectiveness against the delta variant. We aimed to use the data repositories of Israel's largest health-care organisation to evaluate the effectiveness of a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine for preventing severe COVID-19 outcomes.
Interpretation
Our findings suggest that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine is effective in protecting individuals against severe COVID-19-related outcomes, compared with receiving only two doses at least 5 months ago.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext


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No vaccine pass for those vaccinated before last July. That means no restaurants and now an announcement no department store visits without a shot every six months. Is Emart and LotteMart a department store?

Frustrating. Try to comply only to find new requirements demanded (moving the goal posts) when the evidence-based justification for it is NOT preventing the spread of infection (despite the reporters and gov't still feeding that line). ...


Effectiveness of BNT162b2 (Comirnaty, PfizerBioNTech) COVID-19 booster vaccine against
COVID-19 related symptoms in England: test
negative case-control study

Conclusions
Our study provides real world evidence of significant increased protection from the booster
dose against symptomatic disease in those aged over 50 year of age irrespective of which
primary course was received. This indicates that a high level of protection is achieved among
older adults who are more vulnerable to severe COVID-19. This will be important in the 2021
to 2022 winter period when COVID-19 is likely to co-circulate alongside other respiratory
viruses, including seasonal influenza virus.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/390853656/Effectiveness+of+BNT162b2+%28Comirnaty%2C+Pfizer-BioNTech%29+COVID-19+booster+vaccine+against+covid-19+related+symptoms+in+England.docx/a366af4e-9c7f-ce86-bc58-1cb3b88e3378

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That said, reducing the strain on intensive care units IS a reason, so if ventilators are maxed out, then proactive measures to reduce public use of businesses will help.

As I have often said: everyone should still social distance and mask up.

The prior hope that vaccination would lead to a maskless return to normal life and freer travel was a pipe dream. Arghh!
« Last Edit: January 03, 2022, 07:50:31 am by Adel »


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2022, 07:53:39 am »
Considering all other vaccines went through years of trials and research before being put onto the market, don't require frequent boosters every 6 months, nor do people still catch the illness in queastion, then questioning this "vaccine" is fair game.

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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2022, 08:07:37 am »
Why are people suddenly “shocked” that you need multiple doses of a vaccine in order to be protected from illness? The irony of course is these people have already had multiple doses of at least 2-3 vaccines pre-covid.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2022, 08:38:35 am »
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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2022, 09:00:39 am »
Pivot against what exactly? Misunderstanding and misinformation?
As discussed a few times on these boards, last summer the CDC recognized a New England study that showed equivalent rates of virus transmission among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, but with better health outcomes among the vaccinated, so a "pivot" in the public message was recommended, from preventing the spread socially to improving  individual health outcomes.


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Re: Vaccine 95% relative risk reduction vs .84% absolute risk reduction
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2022, 09:08:28 am »
As discussed a few times on these boards, last summer the CDC recognized a New England study that showed equivalent rates of virus transmission among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, but with better health outcomes among the vaccinated, so a "pivot" in the public message was recommended, from preventing the spread socially to improving  individual health outcomes.
So a pivot away for those who were under the misunderstanding that a vaccine was a cure against infection toward the original findings of the vaccine providing protection against severe disease and death?