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  • Super Waygook

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    • July 16, 2011, 11:28:36 pm
    • Seoul
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2022, 09:38:25 pm »
Would have gone with "Dead Ringer for a Covid infection" myself but I like your reference.

I never really understand the need to mock people dying and suffering from disease even if they do make decisions I see as being stupid.  He's dead.  He probably has family.  I doubt they are on this website--though in the extremely unlikely circumstances  he has surfed this site, maybe that's why he decided not to take the vaccinations. 

At the public policy, when I hear it referred to as a disease of the unvaccinated, hear references to Darwin, or elsewhere see references to letting people in certain states suffer and die, it borderline sounds like eugenics.  And I am not aware of any evidence that mocking leads more people to get vaccinated.

There's a good chance people such as Mr. Loaf got coronavirus because of variants coming back because of vaccine nationalism.  As long as there are humans unvaccinated on planet Earth (and animals but that is tougher to solve), we are going to get an increased likelihood of more troublesome variants. 


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  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2022, 09:55:52 pm »
I never really understand the need to mock people dying and suffering from disease even if they do make decisions I see as being stupid.  He's dead.  He probably has family.  I doubt they are on this website--though in the extremely unlikely circumstances  he has surfed this site, maybe that's why he decided not to take the vaccinations. 

At the public policy, when I hear it referred to as a disease of the unvaccinated, hear references to Darwin, or elsewhere see references to letting people in certain states suffer and die, it borderline sounds like eugenics.  And I am not aware of any evidence that mocking leads more people to get vaccinated.

There's a good chance people such as Mr. Loaf got coronavirus because of variants coming back because of vaccine nationalism.  As long as there are humans unvaccinated on planet Earth (and animals but that is tougher to solve), we are going to get an increased likelihood of more troublesome variants. 

Actually, it is still unclear, whether or not, he was vaccinated.

What I do know is that he has used his platform as a public figure to voice opposition to mask wearing.

Meatloaf aside, if those anti-vaxxer crazies don't get vaccinated because of "choice" or "fascism" or "Bill Gate microchips" or "Government Control" then I don't think my mocking them is going to make any difference so good riddance to them. Darwin would be proud!


  • Adel
  • The Legend

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    • January 30, 2015, 12:50:26 am
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Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2022, 03:53:35 am »
I never really understand the need to mock people dying and suffering from disease even if they do make decisions I see as being stupid.  He's dead.  He probably has family.  I doubt they are on this website--though in the extremely unlikely circumstances  he has surfed this site, maybe that's why he decided not to take the vaccinations. 

At the public policy, when I hear it referred to as a disease of the unvaccinated, hear references to Darwin, or elsewhere see references to letting people in certain states suffer and die, it borderline sounds like eugenics.  And I am not aware of any evidence that mocking leads more people to get vaccinated.

There's a good chance people such as Mr. Loaf got coronavirus because of variants coming back because of vaccine nationalism.  As long as there are humans unvaccinated on planet Earth (and animals but that is tougher to solve), we are going to get an increased likelihood of more troublesome variants. 

Well, as near as I can tell you're only the poster that has directly raised the issue of stupidity. My point was the getting vaccinated would enhance once chances of surviving a Covid infection, irrespective of a person's reason for not being vaccinated. If you're suggesting vaccine nationalism as a reason for why a person like Mr Aday, with an abundance of vaccine availability would choose to not to make use of this resource, then I'd suggest he may have been contributing to the problem rather than the solution. Supply of vaccines is one of the issues in undeveloped countries for a lack a vaccinations, superstition is another.  Quite frankly I find it more than a little rich for some-one to portray Mr Aday, with his material circumstances, as a victim of vaccine nationalism. That said, I do appreciate that North American culture and popularity of victimhood.

https://www.ojcmt.net/download/unmasking-covid-19-vaccine-infodemic-in-the-social-media-11200.pdf
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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2022, 06:12:58 am »
Does anyone know what RIP means? Whether he was vaccinated or not doesn't matter now.

In other music news, Don Wilson, guitarist for the Ventures, died at 88.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2022, 10:20:17 am »
Back on track.

Meatloaf was a great performer and a fantastic vocalist who put on a captivating show. His album "Bat Out of Hell" was in my collection and worn out. Meatloaf got all the glory but none of the money, Jim Steinman took care of that.


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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2022, 09:09:33 pm »
Back on track.

Meatloaf was a great performer and a fantastic vocalist who put on a captivating show. His album "Bat Out of Hell" was in my collection and worn out. Meatloaf got all the glory but none of the money, Jim Steinman took care of that.
Well, Steinman wrote all the songs.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1925

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
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Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2022, 09:09:56 am »
Well, Steinman wrote all the songs.

Yes he did.  But could any other frontman have delivered them as well as Meatloaf?

I'll give you a for instance: Love Hurts, I believe written by The Everly brothers and recorded by 100 or more artists but it never became a massive hit till Nazareth turned it into a massive hit.

Who else could have sang those Steinman songs? Bowie? Plant? Daltrey? Jagger LOL?

Share the spoils, brother. It makes you feel good!


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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2022, 10:20:59 am »
Yes he did.  But could any other frontman have delivered them as well as Meatloaf?

I'll give you a for instance: Love Hurts, I believe written by The Everly brothers and recorded by 100 or more artists but it never became a massive hit till Nazareth turned it into a massive hit.

Who else could have sang those Steinman songs? Bowie? Plant? Daltrey? Jagger LOL?

Share the spoils, brother. It makes you feel good!
The Meat was reportedly worth $40 million at the time of his death. Seems like he got his cut.

All the singers you list were the real deal. I don't think Meat Loaf's body of work stands up to theirs.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1925

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2022, 10:37:22 am »
The Meat was reportedly worth $40 million at the time of his death. Seems like he got his cut.

All the singers you list were the real deal. I don't think Meat Loaf's body of work stands up to theirs.

Bowie, Plant and Daltrey could/can sing. Jagger can't carry a tune in a bucket. He is an awesome frontman though.


Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2022, 11:10:42 am »
At the risk of responding to one of your silly strawmen arguments, your making a unnecessary binary division. Medical practitioner should be informed by research that involves a degree of statistical analysis. It's not one or the other but the consensus of both. However, no, I wouldn't seek medical advice from  a guy who in specialises in analysing card games, basketball and baseball.
 
Well you are right that it should be a two-way street. I just find it odd when people say "ONLY listen to doctors" and that doctors trump everything. No, this is a collaborative effort and doctors can overlook things.

A lot of research was semi-junk until statistical controls showed up, which basically means at the time (and this was in the not too distant past), doctors were part quack and basically just guessing (which given the tools and means, was actually fine- they did get it right a lot of the time).

Also, a doctor might give sound medical advice, but would be a poor advisor on policy.

Anyways, that's my two cents and as this has eff all to do with Meat Loaf, you can respond and have the last word and that's all I'm going to say on this thread.


Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2022, 12:35:43 pm »
Yes he did.  But could any other frontman have delivered them as well as Meatloaf?

I'll give you a for instance: Love Hurts, I believe written by The Everly brothers and recorded by 100 or more artists but it never became a massive hit till Nazareth turned it into a massive hit.

Who else could have sang those Steinman songs? Bowie? Plant? Daltrey? Jagger LOL?

Share the spoils, brother. It makes you feel good!

It's actually fairly well know in the Bat Out of Hell/Jim Steinman circles that Jim approached a number of artists that turned him down due to the length of the songs.  Daltry and Burton Cummings, just to name a couple.  He had to be convinced to take a chance on a guy named Meat Loaf.  Fortunately, it was the seventies and songs like "Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" were so long people had time to get bored, go off to the bathroom for some marching powder and come back five minutes later to the same song and exclaim "This is the best f**kin' tune I've ever heard!" 


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1925

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2022, 12:45:11 pm »
It's actually fairly well know in the Bat Out of Hell/Jim Steinman circles that Jim approached a number of artists that turned him down due to the length of the songs.  Daltry and Burton Cummings, just to name a couple.  He had to be convinced to take a chance on a guy named Meat Loaf.  Fortunately, it was the seventies and songs like "Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" were so long people had time to get bored, go off to the bathroom for some marching powder and come back five minutes later to the same song and exclaim "This is the best f**kin' tune I've ever heard!" 

True. Radio DJ's used to call them bathroom songs. It's what broke RUSH in the USA when a DJ put their song "Working Man" on and went for a pee. Upon return the phone was ringing off the hook. People thought it was a new Led Zeppelin tune.

And an iconic band was thus born.


Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2022, 01:58:12 pm »
You're right! 'Paradise by the Dashboard Light', while being my favorite, also gave me a chance to take a quick leak and grab another beer come Part 2. Sneaking around the bases, just didn't do it for me as much as the rest of the song,  In saying that, I'm glad that it was there. It was pretty vital for the songs overall imagery.

I did like that song when I stumbled upon it years later, but I've always hated that play-by-play baseball part. 


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1925

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2022, 02:35:32 pm »
I did like that song when I stumbled upon it years later, but I've always hated that play-by-play baseball part. 

Really? That was what made the song...the song! And Ellen Foley's wailing "Stop right there!"......

Well, memories of being in my car at the drive-in............


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: R.I.P. Meat Loaf
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2022, 07:04:07 pm »
Bowie, Plant and Daltrey could/can sing. Jagger can't carry a tune in a bucket. He is an awesome frontman though.
LOL.