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New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« on: April 12, 2022, 08:51:12 am »
I have been seeing a lot of news lately about the Chinese lockdowns.
People in Shanghai are being locked int their homes.
I have seen video of starving animals locked inside homes.  People screaming from balconies and people jumping from buildings.

I would like to ask a lot of the lockdown, vaccine and mask supporters on here if this would be the best way to handle future pandemics?

Bonzai!


  • waygo0k
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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2022, 09:29:41 am »
1. Many of those suicide videos are years old…they’re not even in Shanghai, and the recent ones that were merged in the clip weren’t even from lockdown, they were mostly of people killing themselves due to financial hardship

2. The pets one is all over the place. Some neighbourhood districts have facilities to care for pets whose owners have been sent to central quarantine…others don’t. Some lockdown “volunteers” have decided to go on a power trip and kill one or two of these pets based on nothing more than brain dead decision making.

3. People are screaming from balconies as a form of protest and solidarity because the policy of taking asymptomatic people to central quarantine with horrible facilities is quite frankly a very stupid, unscientific and highly political move. This is starting to change because a) some complexes and districts are no longer locked down, b) some asymptomatic cases are being allowed to quarantine at home.

Things are pretty bad in some parts of Shanghai, with limited deliveries and no movement outside buildings…while things are ok in other areas, where the restrictions aren’t as tight. As with many things China, there’s a plurality of how laws and policies are implemented based on where you are and who you’re dealing with.

Try not to fall for the hyperbole next time.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2022, 09:37:42 am by waygo0k »


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2022, 09:36:05 am »
I have seen video of starving animals locked inside homes.

Even worse, I've seen newspaper article about the mass culling of pets in areas with covid outbreaks.
Imagine having a death squad kick in your door and execute poor fluffy right in front of you because you caught a mild case of omicron.   :shocked: :cry:
https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/environment/article/3155845/coronavirus-china-killing-pets-covid-19-patients

Also, I think that this question should be directed towards lockdown supporters, as vaccines and masks are an entirely different issue.

But to answer the question, no, I don't think this would be the best way to handle future pandemics ***unless*** the future pandemic has a seriously high IFR (ie, symptoms consistently include hemorrhaging fever or some such). China likes to handle it's problems with some pretty extreme responses.
... but maybe China knows something the rest of the world doesn't?  :shocked:


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2022, 01:14:18 pm »
Yeah, that's why you wait till covid is done before going over. 


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2022, 01:28:18 pm »
Yeah, that's why you wait till covid is done before going over. 

dont wait!  go now.  its a paradise. 


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2022, 01:36:50 pm »
dont wait!  go now.  its a paradise. 

Lemme know how it works out for you....  Money's darn good though. 


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2022, 01:36:59 pm »
dont wait!  go now.  its a paradise.

Or never go. There's always a convenient excuse. The beauty of next year is that it never actually comes.
"in real life I have a Mensa level IQ. That’s the opposite of mentally retarded. People have told me I’m the smartest person they’ve ever met...Those accusing me of lacking intellect are ironically less intelligent than me. And by quite a bit. Statistically, virtually everyone is." - LI


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2022, 02:00:13 pm »
Lemme know how it works out for you....  Money's darn good though. 

I would never consider China an option.
politics. (and genocide)
laws.
pollution.
internet.

those are my deal breakers.  if going along with that if fine by you for a couple extra schmekels...  have at 'er


  • hangook77
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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2022, 02:13:12 pm »
I would never consider China an option.
politics. (and genocide)
laws.
pollution.
internet.

those are my deal breakers.  if going along with that if fine by you for a couple extra schmekels...  have at 'er


My pay is good enough for me for now.  But at 2.1, I'd go where the money is.  But, I tend to move on when not getting paid or respected.  That's just me.  It was the same with here back in the day when Korea use to pay good.  I came here instead of Japan even though Japan was said to be more professional and safer for work environment. 

In fact a lot of friends who went to uni and didn't get a good job back in the maritimes got stuck in a crappy low paying call center because the maritime economy was awful.  A lot of word of mouth in that region to go to Korea and make a lot of money.  (Good exchange rate and very cheap cost of living.)  Anyways, most were too scared to take the risk and said "no, I'll stay here and be bitter and complain about my life instead.  I'm scared something may happen in Asia."  I was okay: "have at it."  I moved on.  They didn't.  To each their own.   I tend to look for better deals when the current deal is no longer a deal rather than stay in a rut when the rut has gone off a cliff. 

Korea had many of these same issues years ago.  Not too much different.  That said, you do a couple of years and wire home as much as you can.  You do not put down roots or own too many possessions in case you got to get out.  You're a fool if you do that.  That is if I did go. 


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2022, 03:11:54 pm »
Anyways, most were too scared to take the risk and said "no, I'll stay here and be bitter and complain about my life instead.  I'm scared something may happen in Asia."  I was okay: "have at it."  I moved on.  They didn't.  To each their own.   

 :laugh:


Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2022, 03:24:50 pm »
1. Many of those suicide videos are years old…they’re not even in Shanghai, and the recent ones that were merged in the clip weren’t even from lockdown, they were mostly of people killing themselves due to financial hardship

2. The pets one is all over the place. Some neighbourhood districts have facilities to care for pets whose owners have been sent to central quarantine…others don’t. Some lockdown “volunteers” have decided to go on a power trip and kill one or two of these pets based on nothing more than brain dead decision making.

3. People are screaming from balconies as a form of protest and solidarity because the policy of taking asymptomatic people to central quarantine with horrible facilities is quite frankly a very stupid, unscientific and highly political move. This is starting to change because a) some complexes and districts are no longer locked down, b) some asymptomatic cases are being allowed to quarantine at home.

Things are pretty bad in some parts of Shanghai, with limited deliveries and no movement outside buildings…while things are ok in other areas, where the restrictions aren’t as tight. As with many things China, there’s a plurality of how laws and policies are implemented based on where you are and who you’re dealing with.

Try not to fall for the hyperbole next time.

Nah.


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2022, 03:29:49 pm »
A lot of the news reported about China, is like the news reported out of North Korea. Often exaggerated, and taken out of context. Like that burrito story, what's the original source of that story.. oh ya.. the reliable Guardian. Or stories about social credit scores, it was some experiment in some city for entering some park, but the western media ran with it as if it was national policy.


Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2022, 04:32:49 pm »
If you're in NYC/LA and reading a story in the NYC/D.C/LA media not involving the coasts, odds are its exaggerated or out of context.
If you're an American and reading any story in the American media about Canada/Western Europe, odds are its exaggerated or out of context.
If you're a Westerner and reading any story in the Western media about any country outside of the West, odds are its exaggerated or out of context.
If you're in a country that's part of the somewhat globalized world and reading any story in the somewhat globalized media about a rogue nation/war zone, odds are its exaggerated or out of context.
If you're in a rogue nation/war zone, odds and are reading any story whatsoever, odds are its exaggerated or out of context.

If you're default position is to believe that Kim Jong Eun is blowing up people by AA gun while demanding everyone worship his favorite pair of Air Jordans in between everone in Colombia having sex with llamas and every Japanese mom giving head to their kids, you need to learn to not believe everything you read and to attribute it to the entire populace of a country. Oh yeah, and a bunch of incels were the big issue in the Korean election, not inflation, COVID, rent and real estate, and the economy in general.

In other words, your "trusted media" is full of sh*t.


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2022, 05:01:09 pm »
Someone’s playing really crappy odds. Casinos must see you coming a mile off.


Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2022, 05:51:57 pm »
Someone’s playing really crappy odds. Casinos must see you coming a mile off.
Yes, because the casino's would look at the person who sees a story like "Sex with llamas is rampant in country X" and projects it onto the country and see a card sharp. Whereas the person that's dubious and suspects it's at most a local or regional thing or small-scale fad, THAT is the sucker the casino's all crave.

Also, judging by writings, the person ill-suited for the casino is the one who frequently uses terms like "possibly" "probably" "X percent chance" and other qualifiers, instead it must be the one who speaks in certainties and absolutes and can't handle a subtle argument to save their life.


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2022, 06:01:15 pm »
Yes, because the casino's would look at the person who sees a story like "Sex with llamas is rampant in country X" and projects it onto the country and see a card sharp. Whereas the person that's dubious and suspects it's at most a local or regional thing or small-scale fad, THAT is the sucker the casino's all crave.

Also, judging by writings, the person ill-suited for the casino is the one who frequently uses terms like "possibly" "probably" "X percent chance" and other qualifiers, instead it must be the one who speaks in certainties and absolutes and can't handle a subtle argument to save their life.

Why did you first think about having sex with llamas? Odds are is that is just tabloid trash reporting and not representative of all media reporting.


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2022, 06:39:13 pm »
A lot of the news reported about China, is like the news reported out of North Korea. Often exaggerated, and taken out of context. Like that burrito story, what's the original source of that story.. oh ya.. the reliable Guardian. Or stories about social credit scores, it was some experiment in some city for entering some park, but the western media ran with it as if it was national policy.
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If you read this rather lengthy report you will see that the social credit system is alive, but maybe not so well implemented yet, but as the section of the article that I posted says, phase 2 will commence this year. So, don't always knock Western media when it comes to China. I wonder if you have lived there?

I did and while the Chinese people are wonderful, their government, not so much. I got a taste of them many times over, even though I kept a VERY low profile and NEVER said anything negative about the CCP in my time there.

https://merics.org/en/report/chinas-social-credit-system-2021-fragmentation-towards-integration
 The road ahead for social credit


As the rollout of the Social Credit System moves from phase one to phase two in 2021, the Chinese authorities will continue to build up, streamline, and integrate the system. It has become a cornerstone of Xi’s quest for a more modern and efficient rule and its development will remain a high priority for the years to come.

As once again highlighted by the Covid-19 pandemic, the system is highly flexible and can be rapidly deployed in new fields. Given this record, we should expect the system to continue to be rapidly redeployed as new socio-economic policy priorities come up.

Despite this, current implementation is behind schedule and highly uneven. The system’s highly flexible nature inherently leads to high levels of fragmentation and poor data sharing capabilities. Over the next few years, the Chinese authorities will continue to balance the tightrope of further integration and limitation without stifling flexibility.

The SoCS entails various implications and risks for companies, organisations and individuals. Its decentralised nature makes it exceedingly hard to keep track of. Even though a unified Social Credit Law is on the agenda, it will take years to improve legal certainty and transparency. Despite an increasing focus on credit repair, legal safeguards against wrongful sanctioning through SoCS mechanisms remain underdeveloped. Chinese legal professionals have also called for the need to prevent abuse and reduce joint disciplinary action against citizens.43
« Last Edit: April 12, 2022, 06:41:10 pm by confusedsafferinkorea »
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2022, 11:24:05 pm »
How can the Chinese government implement something in 2022 that even the Chinese government cannot adequately define in 2022?

They can barely keep the great firewall coherent. Ironically the GFW isn’t even one system, it’s several systems working independently of each other, but still following the directives of Beijing…which is why it is easier to connect to sites like YouTube in some regions/cities in China even without a vpn.

If after nearly 2 decades the GFW hasn’t been perfected, what makes you think they will have the social credit system ready for roll out when even those in charge don’t know what it’s supposed to be or do?


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2022, 11:39:38 pm »
How can the Chinese government implement something in 2022 that even the Chinese government cannot adequately define in 2022?

They can barely keep the great firewall coherent. Ironically the GFW isn’t even one system, it’s several systems working independently of each other, but still following the directives of Beijing…which is why it is easier to connect to sites like YouTube in some regions/cities in China even without a vpn.

If after nearly 2 decades the GFW hasn’t been perfected, what makes you think they will have the social credit system ready for roll out when even those in charge don’t know what it’s supposed to be or do?
Not knowing is probably an advantage in that officials can use it to achieve their own ends.


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Re: New Chinese Shanghai lockdowns
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2022, 02:29:51 am »
I highly doubt they know something about Covid that we don’t.

It’s more likely punishment to the people of Shanghai.
It’s a wealthier area, and when people start resisting  the CCP too much they get cracked down on.
Bonzai!