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Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« on: November 02, 2022, 03:17:37 pm »
For big New Year’s celebrations, police forces, throughout the world shut down whole areas for public safety.

No reason why the Seoul police can’t shut down the main roads in Itaewon with prior warning for Halloween. The same goes for the subway at Itaewon station. People can get off at the station before or after and make their way there on foot.

Took me less than 30 seconds to think of this.


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2022, 03:23:02 pm »
Savant for president.


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2022, 03:48:00 pm »
None of that addresses the crowd level behind the Hamilton Hotel.

But it'd fit in perfectly with Korea- Symbolic act that makes a show but doesn't really address the problem. So yes, Savant for Yongsan mayor.
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Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2022, 04:09:25 pm »
Free Beer Fridays!!!

….for only 10 lucky people
« Last Edit: November 02, 2022, 04:11:27 pm by Savant »


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Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 04:09:49 pm »
None of that addresses the crowd level behind the Hamilton Hotel.

But it'd fit in perfectly with Korea- Symbolic act that makes a show but doesn't really address the problem. So yes, Savant for Yongsan mayor.

id say that by closing off the street,  a lot more people would be in the street rather than in the packed alley ways.  so i would guess that this would greatly reduce the number of people in the alley.  they close the street of the beach here in pohang when we have a fireworks festival..  and the beach is less crowded because a lot of people just hang out on the street..   seems simple.


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2022, 04:24:39 pm »
id say that by closing off the street,  a lot more people would be in the street rather than in the packed alley ways.  so i would guess that this would greatly reduce the number of people in the alley.  they close the street of the beach here in pohang when we have a fireworks festival..  and the beach is less crowded because a lot of people just hang out on the street..   seems simple.
People aren't going to Itaewon to stand in the street. The want to go to the clubs and bars and restaurants. You would need something that would divert people from the alley onto the street because they'd want to be on the street. If you had some live performances or such, that might help.

Still if youve got 40,000 people who want to go into an alley that can only hold and serve 20,000, then opening a street simply doesn't solve that but just cause the line to get into the packed alley to spill out into the street and passed the sidewalk. It could also potentially even make it worse for first responders to enter and leave if there was some sort of mass problem (i.e. fire inside a club).

Also, what if this just ups capacity and results in even MORE people coming so it's 200k, only now the street is completely packed as well? You're just back to where you started with an even worse situation.

Without some way to address demand or some limiting factor on attendance, you really aren't solving the problem.
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Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2022, 04:33:07 pm »
People aren't going to Itaewon to stand in the street. The want to go to the clubs and bars and restaurants. You would need something that would divert people from the alley onto the street because they'd want to be on the street. If you had some live performances or such, that might help.

Still if youve got 40,000 people who want to go into an alley that can only hold and serve 20,000, then opening a street simply doesn't solve that but just cause the line to get into the packed alley to spill out into the street and passed the sidewalk. It could also potentially even make it worse for first responders to enter and leave if there was some sort of mass problem (i.e. fire inside a club).

Some disclosure: Im old, and hate anywhere that is busy, most of all a packed, noisy club

I would guess, and i suspect its backed up by all of the financial stats, that the e-mart 24 on that alley probably did the most business of any business

a concert on the street is a fantastic idea.  maybe even two at opposite ends.   but, opening up the street, perhaps putting in beer gardens, or simply tables and chairs like how many south asian countries do (malaysia, thailand, vietnam...)  what a great place to meet people and chat in a reasonably decibel'ed area.   then the clubs can let in all the teeny boppers and 20 somethings they like. 


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2022, 04:51:51 pm »
Some disclosure: Im old, and hate anywhere that is busy, most of all a packed, noisy club

I would guess, and i suspect its backed up by all of the financial stats, that the e-mart 24 on that alley probably did the most business of any business
Maybe, but there's a difference between business volume and profit margin and just because someone is dashing in to by wet wipes doesn't mean that they're going to stand in the street. If people just wanted to stand outside a CU and drink beer in a Halloween costume, they didn't have to go to Itaewon. They wanted to go to the bars and clubs and have something more than a can of Heineken. If you're 22, you aren't taking your date to Itaewon only for the two of you to sit on some grimy curb and drink a 4 for 11. I don't think that would go over wellYou're there to go to a bar and to club. You're there for the insta photo and the tiktok/stream vid and all that stuff. So while I do agree that more street stuff would help on the margins, I'm not sure it really gets to the core of the crowd that would fill up that alley.

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but, opening up the street, perhaps putting in beer gardens, or simply tables and chairs like how many south asian countries do (malaysia, thailand, vietnam...
It could certainly help and certainly I think it would limit the chaos from say 3PM to 9~10PM or so. But at some point the young people and their dates aren't going to want to sit around at a table and drink beer and talk all night.  And while this would get SOME people out from the bars and alleys behind the Hamilton, I think they'd just be replaced by even more young people, clubbers and those who want to be in a more social atmosphere.

However, what I do think is good about this is it starts to organize everything. It doesn't really solve the problem, but at least it gets the ball rolling on planning and coordination, so THAT is a big improvement. Just the whole concert aspect and having to get the businesses to apply for seating and tables on the street and organizing transport and logistics and just the sight of tables would cause big shifts in behavior, perceptions and planning.


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Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2022, 05:14:10 pm »
Some disclosure: Im old, and hate anywhere that is busy, most of all a packed, noisy club

I would guess, and i suspect its backed up by all of the financial stats, that the e-mart 24 on that alley probably did the most business of any business

a concert on the street is a fantastic idea.  maybe even two at opposite ends.   but, opening up the street, perhaps putting in beer gardens, or simply tables and chairs like how many south asian countries do (malaysia, thailand, vietnam...)  what a great place to meet people and chat in a reasonably decibel'ed area.   then the clubs can let in all the teeny boppers and 20 somethings they like. 

Move all the “illegal” vendors on to the street. Have a “Halloween Market” for those not wanting to hit up the clubs/bars right away. Create some photo zones for those Insta lovers.  Hire some street performers to put on some performances.

Create a carnival style atmosphere.

Police presence should be visible and be patrolling throughout the night.


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2022, 05:18:38 pm »
Move all the “illegal” vendors on to the street. Have a “Halloween Market” for those not wanting to hit up the clubs/bars right away. Create some photo zones for those Insta lovers.  Hire some street performers to put on some performances.

Create a carnival style atmosphere.

Police presence should be visible and be patrolling throughout the night.
All that is nice and can help in the margins, but it doesn't address the situation in the alley behind the Hamilton Hotel.


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Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2022, 05:34:00 pm »
All that is nice and can help in the margins, but it doesn't address the situation in the alley behind the Hamilton Hotel.
If you open the street it lets people out faster from the bottlenecks in the alley of which there are only 3, West, East and the disaster southern one. Last weekend the southern exit was only letting people onto the sidewalk, it's insane. Close the street and let people GTFO of the way.


Re: Who would you like to see as new Yongsan District Mayor?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2022, 05:40:25 pm »
If you open the street it lets people out faster from the bottlenecks in the alley of which there are only 3, West, East and the disaster southern one. Last weekend the southern exit was only letting people onto the sidewalk, it's insane. Close the street and let people GTFO of the way.
It certainly helps, but you still run the risk of crush, both with people trying to get in and the mass before people reach the alleys.

I really think that you have to seriously consider closing off that area and restricting entry based on headcount with the installation of portable turnstiles.

The problem is such a measure would have been deeply unpopular with both attendees and businesses and I doubt it could have been maintained for more than a year or two before complaints would force it to stop. Of course now there will be the backing for such a measure, but as a preventative one.....

A lot of these only marginally mitigate or kick the can down the road/somewhere else.