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Offline peddyjoonam

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Re: CELTA/DELTA Information
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2012, 02:38:56 pm »
Is there a collective of countries and/or cities where CELTA can be applied?

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Re: CELTA/DELTA Information
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2012, 12:11:45 am »
Don't do your CELTA with ECC, if at all.

For a start, the equipment is below par. All of the computers are set up with Thai as the default language that you have to switch every time you open a seperate programme, All of the computers are set up with different programmes that don't work in different ways (different versions of windows, different default programmes for images etc), the internet doesn't work properly sometimes, and they blame it on it being a “developing country” even though they're the only c*nts on the f*cking block with a toilet that accepts toilet paper, just so they can wipe their privileged English assh*les. Each room has separate air conditioning, but the fat, sarcastic, condescending tutors still blame it on the “fact” that its a “developing” country. Eat sh*t and die.


Most people who fail just call the course “harsh,” and nothing more. There's quite a bit more to it.


Everyone who passes is just happy to have the CELTA certificate, and had to kiss a lot of ass and bite their tongue and work very hard. What you gain is all of the reasonably positive things that you can gain from someone who is a c*nt with a lot of teaching experience and knowledge being really negative toward you after judging you from a lot of lessons. If this sounds like something you could benefit from, do it, but its a load of bullsh*t.


The tutors are totally idealistic and incoherent. I got failed on a lesson that had “speaking” as a secondary aim. I provided 15 minutes of speaking exercise in partners, all of which involved the second partner to be listening to the speaker and making value judgments about what they're saying. (a guessing game). These people are so idealistic that a “listening exercise” is exactly as they teach, and intermediate Thais spending 15 minutes speaking to one another doesn't involve any “listening.”


My tutors looked at the draft of my lesson plan before a lesson that I gave, and approved the plan, and then in feedback told me that I shouldn't have done the plan that I did. I failed my final teaching practise where the second tutor, who had looked at my draft two times and given it the O.K., on the day decided to fail me because I didn't do an ENTIRE SECTION THAT WAS REQUIRED. EVEN THOUGH HE APPROVED OF 2 LESSON PLAN DRAFTS THE DAY BEFORE, AND THE DAY BEFORE THE DAY BEFORE, BOTH OF WHICH DIDN'T HAVE THE SECTION.


All of the students who get failed are a suprise to the other students.


The first tutor failed me similarly on a teaching practise. The difference here was that he actually invented and dictated to me my lesson plan.


All of the students who go through the course have to kiss ass. The tutors are not negotiable and frequently sarcastic and personal, and take advantage of the fact that you've paid a lot of money and need the CELTA. “I don't have to please you” kind of attitude prevailed, although the tutors were admittedly quite nice for the rest of the time.


Quite a lot of the content was similarly abstract and incoherent. We spent an hour learning the difference between an “Exercise” and an “Activity” and the tutors assign real value to these differences . Problem is, the tutors have random interpretations themselves and contradicted one another, which the tutor was pulled up on, and he laughed it off.


The reason why so many people say not to argue with them isn't because they know a lot and are constantly correcting people, but because they aren't sensible people. All of their value judgements are based simply on whatever random negativity they feel like spewing up, and is usually incoherent in some way.


I had quite a few negative comments on my lesson plan that were addressed a few lines down in the plan, and he didn’t cross any of the comments out.


All people who do the CELTA give you the advice “don't argue with them” for a reason. You will want to argue with them, because their arguments aren't sound and usually condescending, personal and reasonably ignorant. They got their degrees from being uptight and anal, not from being useful, and are riding off the name of “cambridge.”




It's not possible for students to always be wrong. You should really doubt the integrity of a teacher who is teaching something that isn't set in stone that has no clear answer, where its common that people give you advice “don't argue with them,” because its quite clear that a lot of people want to argue with them, and usually have a very valid point.


The first thing that struck me about the ECC CELTA was the general quality of the candidates who went into the course. Really smart, hardworking people, some with experience. All of whom were arguing over points with the tutors.


What this boils down to is that the tutors aren't problem solvers. They thrive on problems, and everything they have a problem with is a really random, emotional gripe that doesn't have much of a bearing on the situation.

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Re: CELTA/DELTA Information
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2012, 09:00:45 am »
I was really satisfied with my experiences from doing CELTA. I learned a lot and if you go in with an open mind and are willing to adapt to the courses methods, then it should be fine. I would recommend it to anyone.

I have heard how intense DELTA is. It can be done in 10 weeks or over a year. I was told that you really need to clear your life of any distractions if you choose to it in 10 weeks because it is full time (same with CELTA really). You don't really need DELTA unless you plan on training teachers.

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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2012, 12:41:58 pm »
Hi

I did my CELTA at International House Newcastle in 2010, I can honestly say it was one of the most rewarding things I've done. The quality of the teaching I received was fantastic, I learnt quickly and even though I was working like 12 hours a day for a lot of it, I didn't mind. I've only been legit teaching in Korea for a week, so I can't attest to how much more or less prepared I was... but I think it's unlikely I would have come here without it. I 100% thoroughly enjoyed doing that qualification, it was one of the best decisions I made, doing that.

Some information: It cost me 800 pounds and it lasted for 4 weeks. I was teaching every other day for most of the course to a mix of late teens and adults mostly from the middle east. While it was at times very hard, I wouldn't say what I was being taught was hard to learn. The work isn't hard, there is just a LOT of it, when you combine the volume of work with the stress of teaching people for the first time, I think that's where people really struggle.


In regards to a DELTA. If I go long term into this teaching business I'd either get a DELTA or a Masters degree. The consistent advice I've been given over this is that if you want to teach in Korea at a higher level and you're going to get one of the two, get a Masters. DELTA qualifications aren't well known or understood here and a Masters degree will put you in much better stead. In places like the Middle East the DELTA is held in very high regard and if you were going to that region it might be wiser (and cheaper) to get that instead. I was told when I did my CELTA that the course is 10 weeks and VERY difficult. Much much harder than the CELTA is.

Honestly, if you're thinking about doing a CELTA and you have the means and access I'd highly recommend it. If you just want a qualification to get into Korea, you can do an online TEFL for a few hundred quid, if you want to learn how to teach, spend the money, do a CELTA.

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Re: CELTA/DELTA Information
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2012, 06:57:09 pm »
I have found this thread really interesting as I am currently applying to do the CELTA.

The course I have found in Manchester is £1350, which is where I would be based in England, however I'm going traveling and will be going via Thailand on my way back to England- I looked at doing the CELTA there. There are two courses with dates that suit me- one is International House, but works out the same cost as the course in Manchester, and the other one which is considerably less is with ECC...

SpaceRook first mentioned ECC and didn't mention anything negative, however rjenman couldn't say anything more negative about it.

rjenman- which branch of ECC did you do the CELTA and when did you do it?

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« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2012, 10:28:25 am »
+1 for the CELTA course in Oxford.  It was brilliantly run, very engaging and one of the best educational experiences of my life!  Hard work, but really enjoyed it.  Cannot praise it highly enough.  1000GBP is a pretty big chunk of money (live in Oxford, so at least I didn't have to pay accommodation) but it was super.

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« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2012, 10:33:21 am »
No offense but TEFL and DELTA are worlds apart. TEFL is a great starting point but the courses vary in quality and content.  CELTA teaches you a very specific and effective style of teaching and planning lessons, as a continuation of this the DELTA will expect you to be delivering lessons and submitting plans in that specific style and to that standard from the moment you start.

I recommend doing your CELTA first, it's stressful but worth every penny. Then spend 2 years perfecting your CELTA teaching and then think about DELTA.

Hope this helps.

As a newbie, I've wondered about the difference between the TEFL and CELTA, and hadn't even heard of the DELTA. This gives me a better idea of what to expect - Thanks!

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« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2012, 08:39:49 pm »
I did my CELTA at ECC in Phuket. The money was well worth it, IMO. The trainers knew their stuff and were on point about what the students did right and what needed improvement. Yes, the computers weren't the latest and greatest but they were just fine for Powerpoint and Word and were connected to the internet.

I have found this thread really interesting as I am currently applying to do the CELTA.

The course I have found in Manchester is £1350, which is where I would be based in England, however I'm going traveling and will be going via Thailand on my way back to England- I looked at doing the CELTA there. There are two courses with dates that suit me- one is International House, but works out the same cost as the course in Manchester, and the other one which is considerably less is with ECC...

SpaceRook first mentioned ECC and didn't mention anything negative, however rjenman couldn't say anything more negative about it.

rjenman- which branch of ECC did you do the CELTA and when did you do it?