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Yu_Bumsuk

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Amazing student control abilities
« on: April 27, 2011, 03:59:03 pm »
I just cannot get over what our MS PE can do. Today is our school festival and this afternoon he seems to be in charge of the whole school of 190 MS students all by himself ... which is not, evidentially, a problem for him. 190 kids quietly lined up being given instructions about where they'll hike to and from. Later 190 in the gym in straight rows shutting right up when he tells them to be quiet. He knows every student's name and need only say it in a certain tone of voice to generate whatever the correct response may be. I just can't get over the contrast with my brief hagwon days a number of years ago when there was a class of four middle schoolers none of the teachers could control.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 04:08:06 pm »
this comes to mind ^^
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 04:15:45 pm »
A few of my students control their classes better than the teachers do. Student 1 won't stand for anyone talking during my class and keeps them in line. Student 2 is the most feared student in the school. Every teacher fears her, but in my class she is my greatest too. If anyone talks during class or disrespects me, she puts them right in their places. My favorite moment was after she asked them nicely to be quiet three times in a row and they still kept talking. She stood up and as loud as she could yelled, "SHUT UP B!#$#$#$" I haven't had an issues since.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 04:20:15 pm »
Please do not use profane language on the board. 
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 04:26:29 pm »
A few of my students control their classes better than the teachers do. Student 1 won't stand for anyone talking during my class and keeps them in line. Student 2 is the most feared student in the school. Every teacher fears her, but in my class she is my greatest too. If anyone talks during class or disrespects me, she puts them right in their places. My favorite moment was after she asked them nicely to be quiet three times in a row and they still kept talking. She stood up and as loud as she could yelled, "SHUT UP B!#$#$#$" I haven't had an issues since.

pls send her to my school thanks
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 04:31:54 pm »
Please do not use profane language on the board.

If he's quoting her and that's exactly what she said (or 'joyongee, shipsekki!') doesn't it fit into a different category? There are at least four words some people might consider naughty I can think of that begin with a 'B', and if he wishes to express the idea that it's in a class of rowdy girls there'd be one clear choice. I personally wouldn't let a student scream that in class, but to each their own.

If your boss or coworker calls you a particular swear word I think that's discussion worthy and thus acceptable to quote, don't you think?
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 05:39:56 pm »
Can anyone share their methods on how to control their students?

I've heard of the following:
- Setting up a stamp card/point system and reward students with prizes every month or at the end of the year
- Have student leaders
- Keeping their cell phones for a week if they play with it (some teachers claim they keep those cell phones forever?!?!? Can they do that? Since I hear Korean parents complain about every little thing...)

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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 05:50:25 pm »
Can anyone share their methods on how to control their students?

I've heard of the following:
- Setting up a stamp card/point system and reward students with prizes every month or at the end of the year
- Have student leaders
- Keeping their cell phones for a week if they play with it (some teachers claim they keep those cell phones forever?!?!? Can they do that? Since I hear Korean parents complain about every little thing...)


For my afternoon classes (that I teach by myself) I write GAMES on one of the boards and then start erasing letters for infractions (talking, not paying attention etc.); if I end up erasing the entire word then the students don't get to play a game in the last 5 minutes of class. I've been doing it for a couple of weeks now and *knock on wood* it has worked pretty well and I haven't actually had to take a game away yet.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 07:28:49 pm »
I draw a rectangle in the corner of the board at the beginning of every class. (HS) I write up letters (Q-U-I-E-T) for the following:
When I have to tell them to be quiet more than once or twice
When someone gives me an obnoxious, sass answer
If they're being physically disruptive in class (throwing things, hitting people)
If they're sleeping

If I write out the whole 'quiet', everyone must sit up and shut up for 2 minutes while I play a stopwatch on the screen. I pause it if someone tries to lay back down, or if someone starts talking (etc.) When that's done, I erase all but 'Q', and the class begins again. If I get to 'T' again, this time it's 3 minutes. Or perhaps I make them stand up for the duration. Whatever suits my fancy, really. I've never gone beyond 3 rounds, and I was positively floored (and delighted) last week when I drew up the box (just out of habit, to start the class), and two students said (not whined, said) 'oh, teacha, no quiet, teacha, class' and sure enough they only got to Q-U. I think the visual reminder up on the board helps for whichever method you choose (ie erasing the word 'GAMES' as well)

I now privately call it my magic box.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 09:58:34 pm »
I have a stick haha. I started teaching when teachers were still able to hit the kids with their "special" stick (drumsticks, wooden rods, thin steel ones, rulers), so my co-teacher gave me one-- well, its a pointer, but the finger fell off one day. I would NEVER EVER hit a student, but they know when I'm holding the pointer I'm in charge and when I'm pointing the pointer at them, I'm talking to them. When a class gets really out of hand, I toss the pointer on the table like I'm not going to teach class anymore and it makes them really quiet. Then I ask them if they're ready to start class again... it doesn't get that bad very often though. Overall, class is more effective with the pointer. Instead of screaming "be quiet" just hit it against a table.

I used to end up punish the whole class (taking away games, making them write sentences) because of a few unruly students but now I know it's NOT the way to go. After seeing my classroom-management major co-teacher in action, I learned her trick: single out the bad kid. Call him by his name and tell him exactly what he is doing wrong and that he is disrupting class. It's direct (and maybe a little scary for the kid) but it works. It also really helps to know their Korean names.

Some teachers might disagree with the stick and brutal honesty (too intimidating, we should be friendly to the kids) but I think I have the control issue down pretty well and I'm not considered a mean/scary teacher at all. I smile all the time, so when the kids see me toss my pointer and frown, they know its time to be quiet.

Having said all that, the best behavior control is having kids like you as a teacher, keeping class interesting and fun, and making sure they know that bad behavior leads to a less fun class.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 10:12:42 pm »
I have two teachers that don't need to control their classes. They are just amazing and always listen. The other one yells at them and they don't care. The other two just space off and do nothing. The class leader or bully usually polices the classes for me, but sometimes I have to pull out my "secret weapon." It's a foam executioner's axe from Halloween. I pull it out and tap it on my hand and the entire class snaps into shape. It's HILARIOUS. I do not and have never hit a student, but the way they react. . .you think I had cut off a student's head with it.

A few of my classes said to me, "Teacher, you never get mad." I replied with, "I am very hard to get mad, but do you want to know what my nickname is? White Devil!" They were like, "Ooooooo, let's not make him mad."
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 10:15:36 pm »
i've never had more than a few kids talking amongst themselves and not facing the front. i just run up behind them and tell them to please pay attention with a smile. the sudden movement usually makes them startled/laugh it off and consequently shut up.

i'm yet to try this one with a really bad, disruptive student:

stop the class. politely ask your CW that you would like to berate a student and could they please translate into korean. go upto said student and with a polite smile on your face, look them in the eyes, tell them they are disrespecting you, their peers and if they don't stop what they are doing right now, the next time you will send them down to the principal's office to explain their behaviour to him/her.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 12:07:38 am »
I have a stick haha. I started teaching when teachers were still able to hit the kids with their "special" stick (drumsticks, wooden rods, thin steel ones, rulers), so my co-teacher gave me one-- well, its a pointer, but the finger fell off one day. I would NEVER EVER hit a student, but they know when I'm holding the pointer I'm in charge and when I'm pointing the pointer at them, I'm talking to them. When a class gets really out of hand, I toss the pointer on the table like I'm not going to teach class anymore and it makes them really quiet. Then I ask them if they're ready to start class again... it doesn't get that bad very often though. Overall, class is more effective with the pointer. Instead of screaming "be quiet" just hit it against a table.

One of my former co-teachers would also always use a stick in order to control the students and bring the class to order, whenever the kids would start to get too rowdy. I think another reason she would wield a stick in class was to serve as a kind of threat for the kids not to misbehave and to keep them in line. She never used the stick to hit anyone, although she would slam it very hard against the desk whenever she wanted to bring the class back to order. Whenever she did that, it would usually startle the kids and make them jump.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 12:59:31 am »
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with student control issues. It works for me if I keep games and fun activities until the end of the class and threaten to substitute game time with a worksheet exercise if they misbehave. My kids hate worksheets.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 08:46:52 am »
Elementary-aged kids HATE losing the break time between classes (well, all kids probably do; I've just never taught middle school). I give good points to the class (in blue marker) for good answers and bad points (red marker) for talking, rowdiness, etc.  At the end of the class total the bad points and good points and if there are three or more bad points I take away three minutes of their break (using a timer). If they make a sound during those three minutes the timer gets reset. Each of my classes has only experienced the loss of break time once; after that they shaped up incredibly quickly.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2011, 08:47:27 am »
maybe the P.E. teacher is in shape so his stick flinging really hurts.  that would make me pay more attention, i'm sure.

one thing i've started doing just this week is going around before the bell rings, while students are sitting down.  i try to memorize 4 or 5 names, and make some small talk at the same time.  if any of these students talk or put their head down during class, i can call them out by name. or if another student is talking to them i can say "excuse me, why are you talking to so and so?"  it definitely helps that i can read korean

i'd say the biggest thing that i've done to help me control my classes is to have better activities, and the second biggest is to talk slow and simple.  i know how all the students feel when it comes to listening to a langauge i can't understand, i tune out in under  minute usually
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 08:52:35 am »
It's a combination of conditioning the kids and psychological manipulation. Discipline is not a matter of shouting and punishment, but of getting kids to do what you want without them even realising they're doing it.
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Re: Amazing student control abilities
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 08:53:45 am »
I can't raise my voice like the KTs, but I wish I could and have the same effect on the students.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 09:08:23 am »
It's a combination of conditioning the kids and psychological manipulation. Discipline is not a matter of shouting and punishment, but of getting kids to do what you want without them even realising they're doing it.

This is true. Sometimes you manage it by not even realising you're doing it yourself, you are just in a different mood that day, a vibe that the children respond to. It can range from different moods (both of yourself or the children as a group). Sometimes one thing works (strict, calm, military like professionalism) or something else (cool, calm with dry-witted apathy to disruption). There's the added complication of what works for one class can fail miserably for another. The key is to try and know each class individually and attempt what you reckon suits them best. And if your anything like me it can be a real hit and miss.

Being a teacher isn't always easy, sometimes great and sometimes soul-destroying. Take the good with the bad!
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2011, 10:19:36 am »
My co-teacher is also the P.E teacher...so a great deterrant to misbehavior is the fear of losing P.E class for the day!  Try getting to know your P.E teacher and see if you can agree on some kind of coordinated effort - at my school (elementary) it's been more effective than any other idea I have tried...
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