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For those who may want a change from Korea, read this article. You can now get a public school job here in Taiwan without a teaching license or even a degree.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4821408
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  • waygo0k
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2023, 10:38:38 am »
This is NOT good for the Taiwan EFL industry. This will only lead to worsening pay and other work conditions.

I'm guessing their NOE saw EPIK underpaying people and still getting floods of applicants, and decided they could probably achieve similar results.


  • hangook77
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2023, 12:23:07 pm »
For those who may want a change from Korea, read this article. You can now get a public school job here in Taiwan without a teaching license or even a degree.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4821408

Demanding an education degree limited their applicants over the years.  Not sure why they did it.  Most education degree holders would do international schools and not esl.  The teachers they would get were either older teachers at the end of their careers or someone inexperienced starting out.  It is ESL after all.  You tend to need some different skill sets such as being energetic and outgoing.  But the number of positions are small.  Also I'd be curious if they are paying the same as what they paid certified teachers. 

That said, they are still demanding a formal in class 120 hour TESOL from an accredited school.

https://tfetp.epa.ntnu.edu.tw/en/tfetp/web/eligibility

Not always easy to get a classroom TESOL here in Korea especially outside of Seoul. 
« Last Edit: February 27, 2023, 12:28:13 pm by hangook77 »
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  • theman3285
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 12:27:22 pm »
A little off topic, but Saffer, have you had any roaches in any of the apartments you've stayed in? I have a phobia :laugh:

That's been one good thing about living in Korea - I've never seen a single roach in my living space.


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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2023, 12:34:16 pm »
Most education degree holders would do international schools and not esl. 
On a side note, I spent a shit-ton of money to go home and do my PGCE at a brick and mortar university, with the intention of living it up on the international school scene. Landed my first IS gig overseas and quickly realized how stupendously difficult being a 'real' teacher is. I've since decided that ESL is the life for me and came back to Korea with my tail between my legs. Taiwan may be an option at some point, roaches depending...


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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2023, 12:51:04 pm »
A little off topic, but Saffer, have you had any roaches in any of the apartments you've stayed in? I have a phobia :laugh:

That's been one good thing about living in Korea - I've never seen a single roach in my living space.

Nope, I keep my apartment spotless and don't EVER leave food leftovers around and so far for more than 4 years never had a roach in my apartment.  Like any big city there are roaches but if you follow my example you can live roach free.
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2023, 12:53:26 pm »
Also I'd be curious if they are paying the same as what they paid certified teachers. 


They pay the same for everyone, there are two levels, teaching assistants and full on teachers. The teaching assistants get less but the benefits like housing subsidy, medical insurance etc are all the same.
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2023, 01:03:01 pm »
Demanding an education degree limited their applicants over the years.

Not really, the number of applicants usually far outweigh the number of positions by a LARGE  margin, so actually I am surprised by this move. When I applied in 2018 they were brutally strict except for the age requirement. There is no age limit here for FET's. That is one nice thing about Taiwan, you won't get the boot based on your age. The other great thing is after 5 years here you can get permanent residence and that means you can do as many jobs as you like as your APRC is not linked to a contract. So you can teach at multiple schools or cram schools (hagwons), do privates, work in a 7-11 or do whatever you like and you are as safe as houses.

I must add one thing here, the medical health insurance is AWESOME. It is dirt cheap and the medical system here is rated as one of the best if not the best in the world. The doctors are just top class as are the hospitals. Hospitals are two a penny here, in the street where I live there are 3 hospitals within a 1 km radius and if ever I go to see a doctor I usually just walk in and get a consultation immediately.  I cannot speak highly enough of the medical care here.
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  • Billy Herrington
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2023, 03:55:25 pm »
Damn. I might want to consider Taiwan now.
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2023, 04:02:08 pm »
Damn. I might want to consider Taiwan now.

Based on what Saffer's been saying for some time along with this new info, sounds like a good place to teach and live.


  • Billy Herrington
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2023, 09:10:32 am »
It's something to think about I guess. I'm a bit young to be worrying about health and I have good insurance.


That said, they are still demanding a formal in class 120 hour TESOL from an accredited school.

https://tfetp.epa.ntnu.edu.tw/en/tfetp/web/eligibility

Not always easy to get a classroom TESOL here in Korea especially outside of Seoul. 

I wonder if they would accept an iPGCE, since it's not actually an education degree or a teaching license. Also, who accredits TESOL certificates? :undecided:
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  • hangook77
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2023, 09:53:06 am »
Damn. I might want to consider Taiwan now.

Still heard it pays low over there, though Korea is going that way too.  But public school set up was a good deal.  I guess if they don't age discriminate, that can be a good thing.  Korea public schools, you're out at 62 which is dumb.  China also restricts visas by age 60's or just some areas? 
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2023, 10:57:54 am »
Still heard it pays low over there, though Korea is going that way too.  But public school set up was a good deal.  I guess if they don't age discriminate, that can be a good thing.  Korea public schools, you're out at 62 which is dumb.  China also restricts visas by age 60's or just some areas?

That's pretty much everywhere in China. I'm not so sure I'd want to be here in my sixties anyway, with the medical system being what it is, but I'm a few decades away from that, so who knows what might happen?

I've been to Kinmen and Matsu, but never to Taiwan proper. Kinmen is really cool but Matsu is kinda empty.
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  • waygo0k
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2023, 11:48:24 am »
On a side note, I spent a shit-ton of money to go home and do my PGCE at a brick and mortar university, with the intention of living it up on the international school scene. Landed my first IS gig overseas and quickly realized how stupendously difficult being a 'real' teacher is. I've since decided that ESL is the life for me and came back to Korea with my tail between my legs. Taiwan may be an option at some point, roaches depending...

A lot of people do not realise this. Even at tier 3 schools, doing a good job would require you to spend at least 25-30hrs per week on planning ALONE in your first year...then you still have other things like assessments etc.

In subsequent years though, it should all be gravy as long as you have the same subject(s) and grade(s).
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2023, 06:54:39 pm »
Still heard it pays low over there.

Well that depends on your definition of low. As a public school teacher with  more than12 years experience, my net salary is around 3.6 million Won, including housing allowance.  Tax rate for the first 183 days is 18% and thereafter 5% but at the end of the tax year you get the 13% difference back, so effectively your tax rate is 5% which is pretty low.

You can check the salary scales on their website.  You have to rent your own apartment but you get an allowance from the MOE, so my allowance covers more than 50% of my rent.  The amount I pay for my apartment out of my pocket is roughly 194,000 Won, electricity is around 39,000 Won a month, my water and internet is free and my landlord supplies filtered water for free too.

So, my take home pay is 3,600,000 - 194,000 (rent) - 39,000 (electricity) = 3,367,00 Won.  My phone costs me 22,000 Won a month with a couple of free phone calls, never use that and unlimited data.  I don't live in Taipei, there the rent is higher but I live in a big city with everything you could ever want, so trips to Taipei are just for pleasure.

There is an awesome high speed rail system and there is a free shuttle bus to and from the nearest high speed rail station. Bus fare and train fares are pretty cheap too. I bought a scooter which I don't use every day, just weekends to go hiking, sightseeing and church. Gas prices are low too, about 1,300 won a liter. No idea of the price in Korea, however.

All in all I have no complaints with my pay package. 20 periods of 40 minutes a week and I have an awesome school, with awesome students, not the sharpest knives in the drawer but the most polite and respectful kids I have ever encountered, I am thanked for the lesson at the end of each lesson and the kids treat me like a celebrity. My co-teacher's English level is just great, I really lucked out on my school, of course not all schools are as good as mine, but generally the teachers here are happy. The MOE is a little full of crap, but then what MOE isn't. I get paid enough to put up with their little crap.

I do one 3 day English camp a year and pretty little desk warming, my school is pretty chill about that, most of the time they forget to make me do it and when they do it is only for 4 hours a day.

Edit: forgot to add, 1 blood relative gets a free flight to and from Taiwan once each contract.
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  • Billy Herrington
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2023, 07:30:41 pm »
A lot of people do not realise this. Even at tier 3 schools, doing a good job would require you to spend at least 25-30hrs per week on planning ALONE in your first year...then you still have other things like assessments etc.

In subsequent years though, it should all be gravy as long as you have the same subject(s) and grade(s).

I find this can depend on the curriculum. IB is a nightmare, especially if you have to design your course outline from scratch. Cambridge CAIE is pretty chill, and they have a ton of resources so you don't need to build everything from the ground up. AP is a mixed bag. The courses are tough but the College Board never checks on you.
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  • theman3285
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2023, 08:08:02 pm »
What's the foreign remittance situation in Taiwan? Easy to send money abroad? China's a nightmare in that regard, apparently


  • theman3285
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2023, 08:10:15 pm »
And a further question... Are those 20 unique lessons you're teaching per week? Or can you roll out the same lesson to like seven different groups of kids, Korea-style? How often do you see each group?


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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2023, 08:11:19 pm »
What's the foreign remittance situation in Taiwan? Easy to send money abroad? China's a nightmare in that regard, apparently

Very easy, no worries.
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  • Billy Herrington
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Re: Teaching license no longer required to teach in a Public School in Taiwan.
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2023, 10:19:04 pm »
And a further question... Are those 20 unique lessons you're teaching per week? Or can you roll out the same lesson to like seven different groups of kids, Korea-style? How often do you see each group?

This depends on the size of the student body. I've done 18 unique lessons per week, but only six of them were classes I had not taught the year before, so the planning was fine.
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