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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2023, 02:40:47 pm »
I think it's hilarious that in both of your brains me saying "No, I wasn't bullied, this is how my childhood was. I don't really know why, but that's what it was." = Bragging about it.

That being said, glad you're getting good mileage out of it. But I was expecting better than this...

You might want to reread what you wrote:


Anyways, I was THE most popular kid in my class in both elementary and middle school. H.S. I was more of a Ferris Buellery type where basically I down with everyone.


That sounds like bragging to me, especially with the "THE" in capital letters. Then you tried to wriggle out of it by saying "No I'm not bragging. I'm just telling it how it was. I don't know why I was so popular. I'm just such a gosh darn loveable guy and that's why I was people liked me." like that makes it any less pathetic.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2023, 02:51:59 pm »
Well, I had a pretty good idea this would turn south, hence the whole ending where I invite them to use it as fodder. I mean, if I had just stayed silent then it would have been "Marty's silence confirmed he was bullied".

as you can see, people still think that anyways. seems like an exercise in futility to me


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2023, 03:04:32 pm »
A Starter jacket paired with some LA Gear sneakers. I'm still waiting for that look to come back around.
Gotta have the lights in those LA Gears. Or get some Reebok Pumps. Remember Hypercolor shirts and slap bracelets? And those white college hats everyone wore?

Or you had old toys like Lite Bright, Spirograph, Etch a Sketch and whatnot. Some of those cheap old 80s games were nice.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2023, 03:07:04 pm »
That sounds like bragging to me, especially with the "THE" in capital letters. Then you tried to wriggle out of it by saying "No I'm not bragging. I'm just telling it how it was. I don't know why I was so popular. I'm just such a gosh darn loveable guy and that's why I was people liked me." like that makes it any less pathetic.
While I'm glad my childhood is such a fascinating topic for you and you're getting some mileage out of this, I have to point out that is pathetic is assuming someone was bullied because of their ethnicity and they happen to disagree with you.

"Minority disagreed with me, they must have been bullied" That says more about you, your mindset and your upbringing than me dude.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2023, 03:11:15 pm »
Gotta have the lights in those LA Gears. Or get some Reebok Pumps. Remember Hypercolor shirts and slap bracelets? And those white college hats everyone wore?

Or you had old toys like Lite Bright, Spirograph, Etch a Sketch and whatnot. Some of those cheap old 80s games were nice.







Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2023, 03:15:55 pm »
While I'm glad my childhood is such a fascinating topic for you and you're getting some mileage out of this, I have to point out that is pathetic is assuming someone was bullied because of their ethnicity and they happen to disagree with you.

"Minority disagreed with me, they must have been bullied" That says more about you, your mindset and your upbringing than me dude.

Honestly, it has nothing to do with your ethnicity. You would've been bullied if you were white, black, blue, or green. So, you can cast aside your delusions of victimhood there.

The issue is evidently much deeper than skin color. You're the kind of dweeb to claim/brag that he was THE most popular kid in school over 30 years later. It's sad; everyone saw it, and there's no amount of Marty-brand backpeddling or deflecting you can do to change that.

I suggest you let it go to save what little remains of the tattered, sh*t-stained banner of disgrace that is your reputation.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2023, 03:21:30 pm »
While I'm glad my childhood is such a fascinating topic for you and you're getting some mileage out of this, I have to point out that is pathetic is assuming someone was bullied because of their ethnicity and they happen to disagree with you.

"Minority disagreed with me, they must have been bullied" That says more about you, your mindset and your upbringing than me dude.

I didn't speculate about you getting bullied. All I did was witness a middle-aged man brag about his middle school popularity.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2023, 10:30:45 am »
Honestly, it has nothing to do with your ethnicity. You would've been bullied if you were white, black, blue, or green. So, you can cast aside your delusions of victimhood there.

Don't any of you think that marti's butthurtedness might stem from the fact that growing up in the big mitten,  he might look a little out of place being named...  something like mark, john, paul, luke...  whatever it may be, being korean race but named something like that...  maybe that frigged him up real good...

I also agree that Marti was likely, and unfortunately, ostracized as a youngster and that was only compounded when he came here.  I have had a couple of non-bitter Korean adoptee friends here and they have said its difficult when Koreans look at you and expect you to speak Korean and you can't.  And these "arrogant western ignoramuses" that occupy most of Marti's mind are being welcomed more readily.  I agree whole heartedly that would be tough.  However, my two friends seemed to adjust well.  Both actually married Korean women and don't spend all their day being angry at the world on social media.

Previous thread-

Marty is a gyopo with Walter Mitty leanings.

Your reply
All of a sudden everything makes so much sense!

everything about him screams gyopo.  my best guess would be adopted from korea as a child before 10 years of age to a family in the north east of america. Teased a lot as a kid going to predominantly white / black schools. developed a tough exterior and had to defend koreaness and asianness to alot of kids in school.  came back here in early adulthood for a sense of fitting in but still not quite fitting in.  continued to defend Korea and koreans like he always has.  i get that if this were the case, it'd be a tough upbringing.  it would tend to make a person defensive.  but, thats not an excuse to be insufferable.   all of this is just my best guess.

I think it's incredibly pathetic that some people on here can't debate without making it personal and dismissing someone because of their ethnicity (while making up fantasy explanations that let them feel they've 'won'). It's even worse given that many of these same posters teach children of that very ethnicity AND also date/marry/raise children with people of that ethnicity. I do wonder what their home environment is towards their kids and how they'd react to someone dismissing their kid's argument based on ethnicity.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2023, 07:24:06 am »
Previous thread-

Your reply
I think it's incredibly pathetic that some people on here can't debate without making it personal and dismissing someone because of their ethnicity (while making up fantasy explanations that let them feel they've 'won'). It's even worse given that many of these same posters teach children of that very ethnicity AND also date/marry/raise children with people of that ethnicity. I do wonder what their home environment is towards their kids and how they'd react to someone dismissing their kid's argument based on ethnicity.

I'm pretty sure that no one here teaches, dates, raises or married to someone like you.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2023, 07:32:43 am »
Previous thread-

Your reply
I think it's incredibly pathetic that some people on here can't debate without making it personal and dismissing someone because of their ethnicity (while making up fantasy explanations that let them feel they've 'won'). It's even worse given that many of these same posters teach children of that very ethnicity AND also date/marry/raise children with people of that ethnicity. I do wonder what their home environment is towards their kids and how they'd react to someone dismissing their kid's argument based on ethnicity.

Marti, stop trying to pretend you debate and you just like a good argument.  You do not know how to do either.  That is not what you do on here.  You just come on here to whine and contradict people.

As for the ethnicity angle, since from the beginning you have railed against arrogant white westerners, you can't be surprised that people have brought up your ethnicity in response to that.  Or did you expect to be able to crap on "westerners" all the time and not have anyone question your ethnicity as a source for your angst and insecurities?

Do you actually think you come across as a poster that likes a good reasoned argument?  You come across as a thin-skinned, insecure, angry, negative guy.  You've been told this countless times.  Stop living in denial.  No one considers you a worthy debating adversary.  That's not you. 
« Last Edit: March 20, 2023, 07:34:37 am by Augustiner »


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2023, 08:31:54 am »
While I'm glad my childhood is such a fascinating topic for you and you're getting some mileage out of this, I have to point out that is pathetic is assuming someone was bullied because of their ethnicity and they happen to disagree with you.

"Minority disagreed with me, they must have been bullied" That says more about you, your mindset and your upbringing than me dude.

lots of straw men running around here.

1. no offense, but if you asked your detractors on here why they dislike you, i suspect ethnicity has little or nothing to do with it. the few times your ethnicity has come up its usually in relation to your reflexive tendency to defend anything korean. and while i'll acknowledge that isn't the best argument (you may have noticed i've never made it myself) that also doesn't mean the same logic will carry over to unrelated subjects, like schoolyard popularity contests.

2. as billy already mentioned, he didn't post anything assuming you got bullied in school. you seem to have taken the couple of posters you constantly bicker with who did actually say that and blanket apply their attitude across the rest of us. when you post about how you were the coolest kid on the playground and in that same post acknowledge that you're giving ammo for people to get their shots in, don't be surprised when users not involved in the original conversation throw a few your way.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2023, 08:46:07 am »
Why is Marti so obsessed with ethnicity?  I doubt any of us get all bent out of shape when it comes to our ethnicity.  If someone  makes derogatory remarks about my ethnicity, who cares? It is not important in the big picture of my life.

You know before I went to Korea, I NEVER gave ethnicity a second thought but I became acutely aware after I arrived that ethnicity was a HUGE issue in Korea.  It seemed to be an US vs THEM situation.

My ethnicity and what people think about it doesn't bother me at all.  Much more important things in life than what people think of various ethnicities.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2023, 08:48:33 am by confusedsafferinkorea »
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2023, 09:09:08 am »
Why is Marti so obsessed with ethnicity?  It is not important in the big picture of my life.
You know before I went to Korea, I NEVER gave ethnicity a second thought but I became acutely aware after I arrived that ethnicity was a HUGE issue in Korea.  It seemed to be an US vs THEM situation.
My ethnicity and what people think about it doesn't bother me at all.  Much more important things in life than what people think of various ethnicities.

Having, I assume, grown up in South Africa, I would've thought that your ethnicity would actually have been pretty relevant to your experiences there. For example, wouldn't it have dictated whether or not you had to do military service, could own land, etc etc? Didn't Apartheid concede different civil rights to the different ethnic groups in SA, and wouldn't that have made substantial impacts on your circumstances?

Not trying to argue, just curious how that figures into your life experiences.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2023, 09:34:07 am »
Why is Marti so obsessed with ethnicity?  I doubt any of us get all bent out of shape when it comes to our ethnicity.  If someone  makes derogatory remarks about my ethnicity, who cares? It is not important in the big picture of my life.

You know before I went to Korea, I NEVER gave ethnicity a second thought but I became acutely aware after I arrived that ethnicity was a HUGE issue in Korea.  It seemed to be an US vs THEM situation.

My ethnicity and what people think about it doesn't bother me at all.  Much more important things in life than what people think of various ethnicities.
The lack of self-awareness in this post is staggering.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2023, 09:38:36 am »
Honestly, it has nothing to do with your ethnicity. You would've been bullied if you were white, black, blue, or green. So, you can cast aside your delusions of victimhood there.

The issue is evidently much deeper than skin color. You're the kind of dweeb to claim/brag that he was THE most popular kid in school over 30 years later. It's sad; everyone saw it, and there's no amount of Marty-brand backpeddling or deflecting you can do to change that.
"You were bullied."
"Actually, I was the most popular kid in my school. Don't know why, but I was."
"OMG, You're bragging about being the most popular kid!!!"

If this is to wind me up, great. If this is actual train of thought, then it's just sad.

Also, I love how on a teaching site, bullying is being seen as justified/endorsed/legitimate cause to dismiss a person.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2023, 09:41:03 am by JonVoightCar »


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2023, 09:57:00 am »
lots of straw men running around here.

1. no offense, but if you asked your detractors on here why they dislike you, i suspect ethnicity has little or nothing to do with it. the few times your ethnicity has come up its usually in relation to your reflexive tendency to defend anything korean. and while i'll acknowledge that isn't the best argument (you may have noticed i've never made it myself) that also doesn't mean the same logic will carry over to unrelated subjects, like schoolyard popularity contests.

2. as billy already mentioned, he didn't post anything assuming you got bullied in school. you seem to have taken the couple of posters you constantly bicker with who did actually say that and blanket apply their attitude across the rest of us. when you post about how you were the coolest kid on the playground and in that same post acknowledge that you're giving ammo for people to get their shots in, don't be surprised when users not involved in the original conversation throw a few your way.
True if I asked them what bothers me they wouldn't say ethnicity. But given some of them constantly complain about Korean people and society, and that when someone disagrees they resort to personal attacks based on ethnicity, I suspect that what they say and what actually subconsciously irks them is different.

And while Billy didn't do mention the ethnicity angle, an honest reaction by him would note that my response was to the claims of me having been bullied based on ethnicity and that it wasn't bragging, just a refutation. It wasn't brought up out of the blue.

Finally one should note that some of the opposing arguments seem to subtly endorse or hand-wave bullying. That and the whole "I'm ignoring Marty but every thread I'll jump in just to make a personal attack, rather than debate the issue."


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2023, 09:58:28 am »
The lack of self-awareness in this post is staggering.

That one is a classic


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2023, 10:31:21 am »
Having, I assume, grown up in South Africa, I would've thought that your ethnicity would actually have been pretty relevant to your experiences there. For example, wouldn't it have dictated whether or not you had to do military service, could own land, etc etc? Didn't Apartheid concede different civil rights to the different ethnic groups in SA, and wouldn't that have made substantial impacts on your circumstances?



Not trying to argue, just curious how that figures into your life experiences.

That is all history and I can't change anything so it doesn't bother me at all.  I was brought up in a rather poor home, had little advantages for being white, had to work for everything I have, so I really couldn't be bothered about ethnicity.
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2023, 10:32:05 am »
But given some of them constantly complain about Korean people and society, and that when someone disagrees they resort to personal attacks based on ethnicity, I suspect that what they say and what actually subconsciously irks them is different.

And while Billy didn't do mention the ethnicity angle, an honest reaction by him would note that my response was to the claims of me having been bullied based on ethnicity and that it wasn't bragging, just a refutation. It wasn't brought up out of the blue.

Finally one should note that some of the opposing arguments seem to subtly endorse or hand-wave bullying. That and the whole "I'm ignoring Marty but every thread I'll jump in just to make a personal attack, rather than debate the issue."

You don't debate issues, but you expect that from others when they respond to your whataboutism or completely fabricated statements you make up on behalf of phantom posters?  That's a big ask.  That's like saying I have no intention of being honest on this site, but I expect it from others.

Who are the multiple posters that "constantly complain about Korean people and society?"  Or is that just you being honest again?

Stop with the whining victimhood.  It's gotten old fast. 


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2023, 10:41:04 am »
The lack of self-awareness in this post is staggering.

So, because I couldn't be bothered about getting my knickers in a knot about my ethnicity I have no self-awareness??  Alrighty then.
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