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Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« on: March 16, 2023, 10:06:02 am »
Do you make your students take an "English name"?


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2023, 10:08:47 am »
I have over 700 students. There's no way in hell I'm remembering ANYTHING.
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2023, 10:47:53 am »
Do you make your students take an "English name"?
No. I'm not a jerk.

Now if they want to, party on!


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2023, 11:02:13 am »
I'd just give them all obscure and difficult names, like Isembard, Countenance, Caoibhin, M-m-m-my Sharona, Tikva, Hypatia, Myfanwy, Dafydd, Majnoon, and Bort. But in my head they'd always be "little sh*t".

I'd be a terrible teacher.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2023, 11:11:30 am »
Some of my students WANT to tell me / write their English name, but I just tell them to write the Korean too, because that's what I have on the roster. Haven't seen any really wild English names, but maybe that's because I'm in middle school


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2023, 11:20:15 am »
I never make students choose an English name, but sometimes they'll choose one for themselves and they'll insist I call them that. I'll oblige as long as it's not something offensive or sexual. I'll also revert back to calling them their given names if they can't even be bothered to remember their English names themselves, lol. Had one boy almost throw a whole-ass fit over me calling him by his Korean name, but he'd never respond if I called him by his chosen English name because he kept forgetting that he'd given it to himself. This is middle school.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2023, 11:21:01 am »
Even though the spelling stayed the same, my name is pronounced differently in English from my L1, and I remember that it was a bit confusing for a while.
I think that -- especially in primary school levels -- names still play a large part in the formation of identity, and I would prefer not to cause any more damage and trauma than I'm already doing.  :smiley:

To be clear, I think that giving little Minsu an English name isn't going to traumatize him for the rest of his life, but...  :undecided:

Also, like toilingcotwojama, I work at 4 different schools and have a gazillion kiddos, and can't remember their names anyway, so why complicate things? I tell them to write their actual real Korean names on their worksheets, and have them pratice transliteralting those names into the Roman alphabet, but I have no problems if they want to write an English name too.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2023, 12:16:15 pm »
I make all my students use an English name.  And I pick them.  I just tell them this is English class and if you want me to ever call on you I require an English name.  The science teacher here used to teach English with me and she now names each student based on the periodic table of the elements.  She agreed with me that, although some are nice sounding, there are just not enough variety in names in Korean.  And clearly some parents have agreed for quite sometime.  My new co-teacher is named Spoon (in Korean natch).


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2023, 12:22:07 pm »
When I get my students in Grade 4, they all have English names already. I asked my co-teachers who names them. I was told mostly the kindergarten teacher or parents.

All the Grade one students I meet in the playground have English names and they are VERY proud of them. They make a special point of telling me daily what their English names are.

So, to those getting all bent out of shape on this matter, the kids love having English names and are proud of them. Most of them carry them through to adulthood too. There is no stigma attached to having an English name, at least here in Taiwan and from my time spent in Korea all my kids in my classes from Grade 1 to 6 had English names. I never heard anyone in Korea, China and Taiwan being traumatised by having an English name.

I love their creativity in naming themselves, just awesome.
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2023, 12:28:16 pm »
I do not, but most of my students have them anyway. They have fun picking them out and exploring variations with them.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2023, 12:37:03 pm »
Like Saffer, some of my students arrive with English names, others choose one because they want to be like the other kids in the class. Occasionally, a student keeps their own name but shortens it; Jun won becomes Jun...all's good but I prefer English names in class because my classes are based on competency not age. Every class has up to a 2-grade difference in age, and I can't be bothered with this Heung shit and deference to someone older while studying and speaking. In the past younger students were unable to act naturally. Having a neutral name kills this problem.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2023, 12:48:41 pm »
Honestly, we really need to move past even encouraging English names. In 2023, I think we need to make it clear to kids that they should feel ZERO pressure or incentive to adopt an English name and that moving forward, people in English-speaking countries believe that no one should have to change their name to make anyone feel more comfortable and that "ethnic" names are fine.

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All the Grade one students I meet in the playground have English names and they are VERY proud of them. They make a special point of telling me daily what their English names are.
Colonial mindset indoctrinated at a young age.

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So, to those getting all bent out of shape on this matter, the kids love having English names and are proud of them.
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I love their creativity in naming themselves, just awesome.
I agree there. I do get it from a play-fantasy-"I'm Tony. I'm Batman. I'm Shang Chi. I'm Zeus. I'm Worf." kids mindset of make-believe and I think that's great.

But yeah, more and more ethnic minorities are saying "F that" to having to adopt names just to make certain people feel more comfortable.

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. I never heard anyone in Korea, China and Taiwan being traumatised by having an English name.
To be blunt and this needs to be said- What East Asian people say to your face and what they talk about amongst themselves is not always the same thing. And if you don't realize that, you're living with blinders on.

This is something that East Asians talk about and opinion is all over the place, but one thing it is not, is uniform. And again, this isn't a conversation limited to East Asians either. It was a conversation immigrants from all over Europe had and its a conversation immigrants from South Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and so on have. It's a conversation within the African-American community. It has been an ongoing racial issue since Cassius Clay/Muhammed Ali Malcolm Little/Malcolm X and Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and into the tone certain people take when they say names like D'Shawn or Laronte or Shamika and the discrimination faced by individuals with names that do not conform.

Anyways, I'm not full radical and I don't get the sense that you're trying to impose names on them. But I'd really ask you to think long and hard about this name thing and understand that moving forward, it's a thing that really needs to go away (again, outside of creativity/role-play/imagination/general kid fun type stuff). East Asians/Middle Easterners (think 'Sam' and 'Moe' are real Arabic names?) Tony/Antonio and whether someone is American or 'European' or John/Juan and whether that gets them searched at the border or not or Rayshawn not getting hired or getting his car searched for no reason, all of that. It just needs to go.

I'm the one that needs to learn how to say their name in Mandarin or Korean or Arabic and remember it, they don't have to change sh*t and we shouldn't be encouraging that.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2023, 12:51:17 pm »
In the past younger students were unable to act naturally. Having a neutral name kills this problem.
1) We do not get to dictate what "natural" is. Natural =/= Western
2) Our names are not neutral

We still need to work on our fundamental basic human respect and really understanding what "equality" and "tolerance" mean. Not that you're wrong or evil. It's just it is so easy for us to slip into a mentality where we think our way is "normal" and natural and other people need to conform to our thinking.

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, and I can't be bothered with this Heung shit and deference to someone older while studying and speaking
No doubt though you expect deference to various western manners and means of address and such, yes?

I do think it would be interesting to see a poll of this not just here, but over at that other site and also to get a breakdown of views based on age. This is something I suspect shows a deep generational divide.

I suspect that the majority of teachers under 30 are really in the "No, they shouldn't have to change their name, why can't you respect them" camp with maybe dashes of "Lets have fun and all make new names". I suspect those 30-45 are somewhat in the middle like "I don't really care. Whatever your name is, your name is." Basically, whatever is easiest for your paperwork, be that English or Korean, that's what you prefer. And I suspect those maybe 45 and up are more of the mindset of "I don't get what the fuss is? Kids love English names. having normal English names is great. They make things easier and natural. What's the problem?" 
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2023, 12:56:46 pm »
Honestly, we really need to move past even encouraging English names. In 2023, I think we need to make it clear to kids that they should feel ZERO pressure or incentive to adopt an English name and that moving forward, people in English-speaking countries believe that no one should have to change their name to make anyone feel more comfortable and that "ethnic" names are fine.

Colonial mindset indoctrinated at a young age.

As learning another language (properly) affects the way one thinks and even the way one identifies, surely, by extension, teaching English is a form of colonialization of the mind. You're personally facilitating cultural colonization. You're basically like Columbus or something.

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To be blunt and this needs to be said- What East Asian people say to your face and what they talk about amongst themselves is not always the same thing. And if you don't realize that, you're living with blinders on.

You wouldn't happen to be making a blanket statement saying that all "East Asian" people are two-faced there, would you?


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2023, 12:58:01 pm »
My class...my preferences, Marti. Not talking about outside the classroom.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2023, 01:01:12 pm »
I tell them to write their actual real Korean names on their worksheets, and have them pratice transliteralting those names into the Roman alphabet,

Oh, man.  Sorry, but this is contraindicated.  Transliterating English and Korean is a terrible terrible idea.  That's why we have jebras roaming the sabahnna and hu-ried chicken in the hope.   


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2023, 01:06:15 pm »
As learning another language (properly) affects the way one thinks and even the way one identifies, surely, by extension, teaching English is a form of colonialization of the mind. You're personally facilitating cultural colonization. You're basically like Columbus or something.
To some extent, yes. But it's not like Esperanto is actually really a thing and a viable alternative, so at some point you have to be practical.

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You wouldn't happen to be making a blanket statement saying that all "East Asian" people are two-faced there, would you?
I wouldn't say that. Just that, a lot of times you see these posts where it's like "Look, they every Korean/Chinese person I've talked about this with agrees with me." or "They all seem happy to me" and it's like dude, it is so obvious you aren't party to the REAL conversations that are going on. It's like saying some Democrat going through Deep Red country and thinking because people politely applauded after they spoke, that everyone there agrees with their platform.

Like, at the very least you should be aware that opinion on this isn't uniform and there are lots of people who disagree with it. If you're that oblivious that you think everyone loves it, then you're just delusional and one step away from believing you're handsome because four 3rd graders told you so.


Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2023, 01:10:49 pm »
My class...my preferences, Marti. Not talking about outside the classroom.
I understand. But I'd ask you to really think about this one and what it means in terms of respecting your students and who they are as human beings. I think one of the most basic forms of human respect is to learn someone's name and call them by it and accept that as their name. Respect is a two-way street and if you aren't going to respect them and where they're coming from, it's really hard to ask the same towards you in return.

How would you want to be treated if the situation were reversed? I do agree to some extent of "You need to get with the program" at the same time if my teacher showed complete contempt towards my culture and identity, I wouldn't have much respect for them and who knows? Maybe in fact, actively start to despise them and what they represented, especially if I were a youth. And perhaps if I was fine with it at the time, when older I might look back at it with a different eye and much more negatively.


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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2023, 01:23:39 pm »
Only Marti could turn this into a 10 page rant about how unethical we Westerners are when we use the English names that their PARENTS gave them.

I think there are many more pressing problems in this world than to get our knickers in a knot over this issue. I have many Chinese and Taiwanese friend and NONE of them have been traumatised by having an English name, THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT.  Must I now go and tell them how terrible they are and how they are betraying their culture by using an English name? Give me a break.

This is a NON-ISSUE Marty, stop making it to be something that it is not. People can choose whatever frikken name they like and who are you to dictate to East Asians as to what they can or cannot name themselves or their kids.  Get over it.
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Re: Do you make your students take an "English name"?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2023, 01:33:08 pm »
I did 8 years in public schools at elementary (3years)  middle (3 years) and High (2 years)  and never once came across anyone who used their English name.  After being in a hagwon now for 6 years, they are all give / allowed to pick an English name.  It helps them get comfortable with male / female names as well as learn some new pronunciation.  I dont force them to take an english name, but I usually get to pick it for them. Its a tremendous amount of pressure because some of them might end up keeping it forever.   I name them after my friends who have left Korea. But there is still a few times when the korean teacher gets to them before me,  which explains the abundance of Anna, Hannah, Amy, and Esther's walking around.  Gonna try to get 4 girls in one class to go as Blanche, Sophia, Dorothy and Rose.  Blanche will be the only hard sell.